The problem with the community

[Mojo]

I wrote this many years ago but never posted. It's part wake-up call and part frustration with what I've learned with my interaction with gurus. For what's it's worth, some inside info in the PUA scene:


There is a problem with the community. It attracts two types of people, 1) those who seek self improvement to become a better person and 2) those who would use the technology for manipulating, self-serving interest.

We need more of the first group than the latter. People such as Formhandle who has communicated to me his intentions of developing lairs as a way to help guys and not as a marketing extension of “gurus” who would like to sell their bootcamps. A couple of years ago we were developing a lair based on a constitution and by-laws to run the lair instead of the power being concentrated in one individual. People are not perfect, they change though an organization based on the rule of law doesn’t; it keeps it integrity. Developing a democracy turned out to be a challenge because if people do not adhere to the constitution, the constitution is meaningless. We found this out at Dallaspua.com where after being elected President, some guy named Vector, stole the web content from dallaspua.com for his own lair which was not based on democratic ideals. Stealing is wrong.

Stealing does not reflect a healthy mindset. You are sub-communicating that you do not think you can do it by yourself, that there is too much scarcity in the world, that you have to lie and cheat to get ahead. In reality (my reality at least), there are sooo many legal ways to make money that it is stupid to steal. You don’t need to steal your employer’s customers to make it. Seriously, Steve Mayeda (aka El Topo) you don’t. You can build your business with your own work, not that of others. El Topo recently said to me that many of the guru’s secretly hate women. All I can say to that is what Tyler Durden said to me. Tyler Durden had told me he prefers not to speak at lairs because people may secretly record his material. I dismissed the concern and said lair leaders wouldn’t do that. He pointed out self-projection, you project your own beliefs upon others. Since I knew I would not steal his material I subconsciously projected my own beliefs upon others. So does El Topo hate women? I don’t know, but I do know my standards are higher. Not because I say so, but because El Topo said so. In frustration that I would not pimp out the DallasPUA membership to sell his product to, he had complained that my standards were too high. I do not think my standards are too high, just relative to his standards. Though credit to El Topo, who made the leap from a lowly restaurant waiter to a PUA guru. El Topo, you teach this material. I am confident that one day you will teach it with a side of integrity and ethics. It is your responsibility. Stealing is wrong.

Taking somebody’s alcoholic drink while they are not looking is wrong. Jason Savage (aka Gonesavage), it is stealing. And playing the numbers game you will get laid. But if you do not have the inner integrity, the inner game, you will not be able to keep the girl. One of Mystery’s best friends (who will remain nameless) once told me that Mystery can get any girl he wants, BUT he can’t keep them. At least this was the reality a couple of years ago. So maybe it may be a good idea to learn from those that are married such as Juggler or Adam Lyons, both high caliber guys that impressed me upon meeting them. Though it is just a suggestion as Vince Kelvin is married but quite creepy. Along with Ross Jeffries whose over emphasis on manipulating the subconscious backfires since the woman’s subconscious realizes she is being manipulated and gives the girl’s conscious mind that creepy feeling. All in moderation. Too much manipulating and not enough inner game is wrong.

Lieing is wrong. I once asked JT Tran (aka Asian Playboy) “do we lie to girls”. He said Yes. I say No. Fellas, we do not lie, we do not need to lie to get in a girl’s panties. This is one of the things that separate the pua from the player, our skills and knowledge are more than enough. We live a life of integrity and thirsting for the truth. Pathological liars do have an advantage since pathological lairs will lie to make another feel good. I’ve known a few in my life. They are easy to pick out if you know the typical characteristics. I assume this is one of the things that made Casey Mahoney (aka Brad P.) very good with women. Every interaction I've had with Brad P. consisted of him throwing out mega lies. And though it may help his game, it is something that does not hold up in the long term. I doubt Brad P. will be able to keep a girl for a long extended period, much less get married. Lying is wrong.

[python93]

Nice thread.. It's the first time I see somebody actually post.
I thought this website was abandoned lol. I just come to read material and its helped me out greatly.

[moosesevenone]

Good post.

I was hoping the DFW area had a good lair and was beginning to doubt that. I don't know what your situation is Mojo, but perhaps some time we can hang out.

The problem as I see it right now is that pickup has gone from a male initiation in building skills with women to blitz marketing and feels cheap. There are a few that I still greatly admire, because when I listen to them and read their material I know deep down they are telling the truth even if I have never heard the concept before. I'm all for people making money and following their passion, some of what I have heard or read it is hard to believe the folks selling it aren't just pulling stuff out of their ass and repackaging it.

If there is serious interest in building up the DFW area lair I'd be glad to participate. I want to make friends, meet women and have fun though; not be sold a bunch of stuff.

[Lucidity]

I second that, if there is a group of good guys that want to start a lair and help each other learn i'm in. This is a perfect stretch of time for me to focus on social skills, especially with women.
It would be great to have an organized group with regular meet ups.

[Tribulus1000]

Good Post, Mojo.
Yeah I remember all of this. And I agree with you. And we've all known a few guys who lie.
And I think time has really proved that alot of what those guys were doing wasn't actually working. They relied on the marketing more than they did their actual integrity/skills.

It also shows here that you DO really care about the men who come here. And for that I salute you, sir.

Mojo is probably one of the best guys out there. You should meet him if you have a chance.

[python93]

I would totally be down to meet with you guys and learn in the process!

[ThatGuy]

Hey all, new to the forum and definitely new to the PUA scene in general. But on to my main reason for posting to this thread......Would someone be willing to please throw out a definitive time and place to meet up.

I posted a couple threads in the Wingman forum but am still waiting for some replies(seems like this forum is dying down a bit, but I hope I'm wrong about that). I'd really like to meet some like-minded individuals that I can go out with to practice and refine my PUA skills by using the right techniques, not lying, making up stuff, etc.

FYI, I live near the downtown Fort Worth area, but don't mind going out to Dallas to meetup.

[Lucidity]

If there's a group forming to get together and learn I'm in, I'm def an intelligent, fun, positive person who is eager to get better. Hit me up !

[Mojo]

Nice thread.. It's the first time I see somebody actually post.
I thought this website was abandoned lol. I just come to read material and its helped me out greatly.

Good post.

I was hoping the DFW area had a good lair and was beginning to doubt that. I don't know what your situation is Mojo, but perhaps some time we can hang out.

Thanks guys..

I've graduated from the community and thus had little time to keep the forum active. There was a time years ago this forum was killing it. Asian Playboy once said Dallas was the new PUA central and it was. The trick to keeping a place active is to have fellas volunteer to organize meetups. Though guys move on quickly, get a ltr, get married, and lose interest. Thus my attempt to form an organization that could sustain itself after I left.

If there's a group forming to get together and learn I'm in, I'm def an intelligent, fun, positive person who is eager to get better. Hit me up !

Maybe a sarge outing is in order.

I second that, if there is a group of good guys that want to start a lair and help each other learn i'm in. This is a perfect stretch of time for me to focus on social skills, especially with women.
It would be great to have an organized group with regular meet ups.

Agreed

Good Post, Mojo.
Yeah I remember all of this. And I agree with you. And we've all known a few guys who lie.
And I think time has really proved that alot of what those guys were doing wasn't actually working. They relied on the marketing more than they did their actual integrity/skills.

It also shows here that you DO really care about the men who come here. And for that I salute you, sir.

Mojo is probably one of the best guys out there. You should meet him if you have a chance.

Thanks Trib. Hope all is well with you. We should catch up sometime.

Hey all, new to the forum and definitely new to the PUA scene in general. But on to my main reason for posting to this thread......Would someone be willing to please throw out a definitive time and place to meet up.

I posted a couple threads in the Wingman forum but am still waiting for some replies(seems like this forum is dying down a bit, but I hope I'm wrong about that). I'd really like to meet some like-minded individuals that I can go out with to practice and refine my PUA skills by using the right techniques, not lying, making up stuff, etc.

FYI, I live near the downtown Fort Worth area, but don't mind going out to Dallas to meetup.

Easy to do. All that is needed is to post the time and place and for me to shoot out a mass email to all the members.

[ThatGuy]

Thanks for replying Mojo, I would say we should meetup next Saturday Nov 29th round 2pm, meet each other, see where everyone is experience wise, what areas of the DFW they prefer to practice in, etc. then go out and start Sarging.

I'm going to leave the decision of where to meetup up to someone else because if it were up to me I'd say we meetup somewhere in the downtown/West 7th area of Fort Worth since that's where I live, but I'm assuming most people live on the Dallas side and I'm not sure of a good spot to meetup at on that side of DFW.

Is next Saturday ok with you all?, and also please provide a preference of where to meetup at as well as I'm not sure what the ratio is of Fort Worth to Dallas residents interested in this. Once we get a few replies we can have Mojo send out an email with Time and Location.